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Today we discuss Dajjal, Iran, Israel, and the powerful religious symbolism surrounding conflict in the Middle
East. As tensions rise across the region, ancient scriptures and end-times prophecy are increasingly invoked in political rhetoric and public discourse.
In this conversation, we explore how Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions interpret themes such as Purim, Amalek, messianic expectations, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the role of apocalyptic narratives in shaping modern geopolitics. How are these texts being understood today? And how should they be interpreted in light of current events?
Joining us is Dr. Ali Ataie, a scholar of biblical hermeneutics whose work sits at the intersection of Sacred Languages, Comparative Theology, and Comparative Literature. At Zaytuna College, Dr. Ataie has taught Arabic, Creedal Theology, Comparative Theology, the Sciences of the Qur’an, Introduction to the Qur’an, and Seminal Ancient Texts—helping students engage deeply with classical religious traditions while addressing contemporary questions.
Dr. Ataie completed his MA in Biblical Studies at the Pacific School of Religion in 2011, before earning his PhD in Cultural and Historical Studies in Religion from the Graduate Theological Union in 2016.
He is also a native Persian speaker and is proficient in Greek, Arabic, and Hebrew, allowing him to engage directly with the sacred texts of multiple traditions in their original languages.
In this episode we examine the intersection of theology, scripture, and geopolitics—and how religious narratives about the end of times continue to shape conversations about the future of the Middle East.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
4:06 Symbolism in the Iran Attacks: Purim + Amalek
8:29 Netanyahu: Holy Words, Unholy Actions
12:05 Yajuj and Majuj in Christianity and Islam
13:32 The Ambition of “Greater Israel” & the Messiah
18:21 Greater Israel: Before or After the Messiah?
21:26 The Red Heifer
25:38 The Third Temple: The Key to the Messiah?
31:35 Isa (AS) and the Temple
37:38 Who Is the Messiah Jews Are Waiting For?
48:16 70,000 Followers of Dajjal
51:14 Was the War With Iran Framed as Biblical Prophecy?
57:48 Is the Israel of the Bible the Same as Israel Today?
1:01:24 Who Was Moses Maimonides?
1:03:18 Maimonides’ Description of the Messiah
1:04:33 The Failed Messiah
1:08:04 Are We Close to the End of Days?
1:13:34 The Description of the Dajjal
1:19:24 The Protection of Surah Kahf
1:22:29 The Concept of the Afterlife in Judaism
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Ali Ataie is a teacher, researcher who specializes in interfaith work. He has been involved in many dialogues and debates with Christian scholars regarding famous topics including the resurrection of Jesus and the Prophethood of Muhammad. As a lecturer and instructor, he visited California
Polytechnic State University, California State University East Bay, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, and UCLA.
The Second Temple was the Jewish holy temple which stood on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the Second Temple period, between 516 BCE and 70 CE. According to Jewish tradition, it replaced Solomon's Temple (the First Temple), which was destroyed by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in 586 BCE, when
Jerusalem was conquered and part of the population of the Kingdom of Judah was taken into exile to Babylon. Much like the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem in 70 CE as retaliation for an ongoing Jewish revolt. Jewish eschatology includes a belief that the Second Temple will be replaced by a future Third Temple.
If built, the Third Temple (literally: The House, the Holy, the Third) would be the third Jewish temple in Jerusalem after Solomon's Temple and the rebuilt Second Temple. Although it has not been built, prospects for its completion are important in Jewish eschatology, and as a result, Christian
eschatology. Since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD, religious Jews have expressed their desire to see the building of a Third Temple on the Temple Mount. Although it remains unbuilt, the notion of and desire for a Third Temple is sacred in Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, and anticipated as a soon to be built place of worship.
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Jewish Law (Halakha) is the collective body of Jewish religious laws derived from the written and Oral Torah. Halakha is based on biblical commandments (mitzvot), subsequent Talmudic and rabbinic law, and the customs and traditions compiled in the many books such as the Shulchan Aruch. Halakha is
often translated as "Jewish law", although a more literal translation might be "the way to behave" or "the way of walking". The word derives from the root that means "to behave" (also "to go" or "to walk"). Halakha guides not only religious practices and beliefs, but also numerous aspects of day-to-day life.
Judaism is an Abrahamic, monotheistic, ethnic religion that comprises the collective spiritual, cultural, and legal traditions of the Jewish people. Religious Jews regard Judaism as their means of observing the Mosaic covenant, which they believe was established between God and the Jewish people
The religion is considered one of the earliest monotheistic religions. Jewish religious doctrine encompasses a wide body of texts, practices, theological positions, and forms of organization. Among Judaism's core texts is the Torah - the first five books of the Hebrew Bible - and a collection of ancient Hebrew scriptures. The Tanakh, known in English as the Hebrew Bible, has the same books as Protestant Christianity's Old Testament, with some differences in order and content.
Judaism encompasses the religion, philosophy, culture and way of life of the Jewish people. Judaism is a monotheistic religion, with the Torah as its foundational text (part of the larger text known as the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible), and supplemental oral tradition represented by later texts such as
the Midrash and the Talmud. Judaism is considered by religious Jews to be the expression of the covenantal relationship that God established with the Children of Israel.
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Judaism includes a wide corpus of texts, practices, theological positions, and forms of organization. Within Judaism there are a variety of movements, most of which emerged from Rabbinic Judaism, which holds that God revealed his laws and commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai in the form of both the Written and Oral Torah.
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The Jews are an ethnoreligious group and include those born Jewish and converts to Judaism. In 2012, the world Jewish population was estimated at about 14 million, or roughly 0.2% of the total world population. About 42% of all Jews reside in Israel and about 42% reside in the United States and Canada, with most of the remainder living in Europe.
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