God revealed scripture: Torah, Gospels, Injeel, New Testament Bible? - Shabir Yusuf vs Nathan 2/2
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The New Testament is the second part of the Christian biblical canon. The first part being the Old Testament, based on the Hebrew Bible. The New
Testament discusses the teachings and person of Jesus, as well as events in first-century Christianity. Christians regard both the Old and New Testaments together as sacred scripture. The New Testament (in whole or in part) has frequently accompanied the spread of Christianity around the world. It reflects and serves as a source for Christian theology and morality.
A Speakers' Corner is an area where open-air public speaking, debate, and discussion are allowed. The original and most noted is in the north-east
corner of Hyde Park in London, England. Speakers here may talk on any subject, as long as the police consider their speeches lawful, although this right is not restricted to Speakers' Corner only. Contrary to popular belief, there is no immunity from the law, nor are any subjects proscribed, but in practice the police intervene only when they receive a complaint. Speakers' Corner is often held up to demonstrate freedom of speech, as anyone can turn up unannounced and talk on almost any subject, although always at the risk of being heckled by regulars.
Injeel, or Injil is the Arabic name for the Gospel of Jesus (Isa). The Injil is described by the Quran as one of the four Islamic holy books which was
revealed by God, the others being the Zabur (Psalms), the Tawrat (Torah), and the Quran. The word Injil is also used in the Quran, the Hadith and early Muslim documents to refer to both a book and revelations made by God to Jesus. Muslims believe the Injeel is lost and no longer available. The Injeel is not the modern New Testament Bible.
Gospel is the Old English translation of Greek evangelion, meaning "good news". It originally meant the Christian message itself, but in the 2nd
century it came to be used for the books in which the message was set out. The four gospels of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the main source of information on the life of Jesus.
Torah, "Instruction", "Teaching" or "Law" has a range of meanings. Common to all these meanings, Torah consists of the origin of Jewish peoplehood:
their call into being by God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of moral and religious obligations and civil laws. In rabbinic literature the word Torah denotes both the five books "Torah that is written" and the Oral Torah "Torah that is spoken". The Oral Torah consists of interpretations and amplifications which according to rabbinic tradition have been handed down from generation to generation and are now embodied in the Talmud and Midrash. According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God through the prophet Moses, some at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah that exists today. The majority of Biblical scholars believe the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 600 BCE), based on earlier written and oral traditions, which could only have arisen from separate communities within ancient Israel, and that it was completed by the period of Achaemenid rule (c. 400 BCE).
In monotheism and henotheism, God is conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by theologians
commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.
<ul>
<li>In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe</li>
<li>In deism, God is the creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe</li>
<li>Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God</li>
<li>In pantheism, God is the universe itself</li>
<li>In atheism, God is purported not to exist, while deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism. </li>
</ul>
Frequently Asked Questions
1.According to Apostle Paul, why did God give Jews the Torah?
Paul claimed God gave Jews the Torah so that they could be saved later on by believing in Jesus Christ. This was God's divine plan.
2.When was the Torah written?
The Torah of today is either:
1500 years after Moses as in the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls and Samaritan Scrolls or
2500 years after him as in the case of the Masoretic Text
3.Does the Quran tell Jews and Christians to refer to their Scriptures (Torah and Bible)?
When the Quran refers to the previous Scriptures (Torah, Gospel etc.), this is understood to mean the original revelations sent to Moses and Jesus, and not the 'corrupted' versions we have today
4.What is the King James Version (KJV) of the NewTestament?
The King James Version (KJV) of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last Apostle died. There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
The King James translators chose to use none of the texts. Instead, they edited previous translations to create the New Testament their king and parliament would approve.
So today, 21st century Christians believe the "Word of God" is a book edited in the 17th century from 16th century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to copies of lost letters written in the 1st century by unknown authors!
5.Is the NewTestament historically authentic?
On the New Testament, nobody can claim that they invariably contain faithful accounts of Jesus's words or a description of his actions strictly in keeping with reality. We have seen how successive versions of the texts showed a lack of definite authenticity and moreover that their authors were not eyewitnesses
6.What is the oldest manuscript of the Bible NewTestament?
It is of enormous importance in establishing the biblical text. There are three earliest manuscripts of the Bible New Testament:
1. Codex Alexandrinus is one of the earliest and most important manuscripts of the entire Bible in Greek
2. Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world and is kept in the British Library. Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament.
The earliest New Testament manuscripts are in Koine Greek. But there are Aramaic phrases in the Gospels. Therefore, Scholars believe an Aramaic layer lies beneath the written Greek of the New Testament, one which may never have been written down.
If true, the Greek text is itself a translation, and English text would be a translation of a translation, which raises textual inerrancy and corruption issue.
Since every translation is a personal judgement of which word to best use, made at the translators discretion.
In Exodus 3:14, John 6:20, John 8:24, John 8:58, Mark 6:50, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8, Matthew 14:27 and Acts 26:29 Jesus claims I AM (Ego Eimi) God - John Schoenheit (BiblicalUnitarian)
An Infinite Universe does not point to a Big Bang,
nor does Fine-Tuning increase probability for a God. On Repulsive Gravity? I don't know! - Imran London & Hamza Myatt vs Atheist Phil
In Genesis 28:12, Jacob visioned a ladder from Man to God. John wrote Jesus was 'that ladder'. Most of John's characters are mystical and Literary, not Historical persons - John Spong
The GodFather: Muhammad executed 600 men. Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon did similar violence. Is the Old Testament immoral? - Adnan Rashid vs Jason Burns
John's Gospel parallels Gnostic-Pagan-Hermetic ideas (dualism, oneness/son of God, trinity, Father etc.) to promote his Jewish-Christianity - Kegan Chandler
Valentinus (100-160 AD, Gnostic Christian) wrote of Monad, the highest, mysterious, unknowable God; rival to Demiurge (Yahweh, God) - Robert Sullivan IV
Tacitus (56-120 AD), Suetonius (69-126), Pliny (61-113), Lucian (120-192) & Thallus do NOT prove an Historical Jesus ever Existed in 33 AD - Godless Engineer
The Talmud (400 AD), Mara Bar-Serapion (73), Celsus (175) & Josephus (37-100) do NOT prove an Historical Jesus ever Existed in 33 AD - Godless Engineer