Tacitus (56-120 AD), Suetonius (69-126), Pliny (61-113), Lucian (120-192) & Thallus do NOT prove an Historical Jesus ever Existed in 33 AD - Godless Engineer
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Today we are going over 5 sources that don't prove that Jesus existed in history. The guy in the video seems to think that these prove Jesus existed historically but we will soon find that he is
wrong. First, we have Tacitus, which is one of the banes of my existence since I debated InspiringPhilosophy. I didn't lose that debate btw because I even said at best it only shows that Christians lived in Rome in 64 AD. That is the best that it can do. This guy also brings up Lucian, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Thallus. None of these historical figures mention Jesus. They only mention common Christian beliefs of the second century. They could have cited sources that date to the first century and were actually eyewitnesses if there were any, but they don't do that. They only reference information that was common knowledge.
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Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, commonly known as Suetonius (69-122 AD). Suetonius was a Roman historian belonging to the equestrian order who wrote
during the early Imperial era of the Roman Empire. His most important surviving work is a set of biographies of 12 successive Roman rulers, from Julius Caesar to Domitian, entitled De Vita Caesarum. He recorded the earliest accounts of Julius Caesar's epileptic seizures. Other works by Suetonius concern the daily life of Rome, politics, oratory, and the lives of famous writers, including poets, historians, and grammarians. A few of these books have partially survived, but many have been lost.
Gaius Cornelius Tacitus (56-120 AD), known as 'Tacitus', was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire. The surviving portions of his two major
works: the Annals and the Histories, examine the reigns of the emperors Tiberius, Claudius, Nero, and those who reigned in the Year of the Four Emperors (69 AD). These two works span the history of the Roman Empire from the death of Augustus, in 14 AD, to the years of the First Jewish-Roman War, in 70 AD.
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Tacitus is considered to be one of the greatest Roman historians.
Thallus was an early historian who wrote in Koine Greek. He wrote a three-volume history of the Mediterranean world from before the Trojan War to the
167th Olympiad, c. 112-109 BC. Most of his work, like the vast majority of ancient literature, has been lost, although some of his writings were quoted by Sextus Julius Africanus in his History of the World.<br><br>
The works are considered important by some Christians because they believe them to confirm the historicity of Jesus and provide non-Christian validation of the Gospel accounts: a reference to a historical eclipse, attributed to Thallus, has been taken as a mention of the darkness described in the Synoptic gospels account of the death of Jesus, although an eclipse could not have taken place during Passover when this took place. A common view in modern scholarship is that the Crucifixion darkness is a literary creation rather than a historical event.
Lucian of Samosata (125-180 AD) was a Syrian satirist and rhetorician. He is best known for his characteristic tongue-in-cheek style, with which he
frequently ridiculed superstition, religious practices, and belief in the paranormal. Although his native language was probably Syriac, all of his extant works are written entirely in Ancient Greek (mostly in the Atticized dialect popular during the Second Sophistic period).
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Tacitus (56-120 AD), Suetonius (69-126), Pliny (61-113), Lucian (120-192) & Thallus do NOT prove an Historical Jesus ever Existed in 33 AD - Godless Engineer
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